September 08, 2008
Ban Ramadan, and.... Chinese policy & its Muslim Minority.
Banning observance of Ramadan, hardly strikes me as intelligent reaction on part of CP China to Uigher seperatism, indeed it strikes me as precisely the sort of thing that will backfire.
But I am not a China hand, so must treat carefully. However, the most basic Muslim feelings on Ramadan are fairly intense. However lax observance among Turkic folks I have seen has been, the importance theoretically has always been affirmed.
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You may not be a China hand, but just look how well suppressing Islamic observance among Turkic peoples worked out for the Soviets.
Posted by: Eva Luna at September 8, 2008 04:15 PM
Strikes me as a good way to Islamicize whatever nationalist resentments exist there. That, in turn, strikes me as a bad idea.
Posted by: alle at September 8, 2008 04:26 PM
China has not exactly done too well at integrating it's west (Tibet, Uyghur) into 'Modern Communist/Capitalist ethnic (Han) Chinese' identity - although there are apparently 100 million muslims, the Hui, who are ethnically Han and well-dispersed amongst China, although tending to be traders and in big towns - see
Islam in China - thinking outside the Abrahamic box:
... for the modern world in general, Islam in China has something to offer, especially its spiritual focus on the art of learning to be human. Chinese Muslim scholars articulated a stunning Islamic humanism with an Eastern stamp. They delved into their own Abrahamic faith, while mastering the non-Abrahamic traditions around them. Their ability to think within and beyond the Abrahamic box enabled them to build enduring cross-cultural bridges. Their accomplishment stands as a lesson for humanity today in its struggle to achieve a just global society that is genuinely human and truly pluralistic.
Posted by: dawud at September 9, 2008 03:04 PM
But I am not a China hand, so must treat carefully.
Don't treat or tread carefully. One doesn't need hand.
Good principles work and are good, that's why they're good principles, not mere ideological whanking. Freedom of religion, especially the right to do such horrid aggressons like not eat stuff for several hours each day per month or not serve food in restaurants during daytime hours, doesn't require parsing the principles for local vagaries.
The bans are ridiculous, repressive, and counterproductive on their face . . . and underneath their veil, and on their armsand their waist and feet and all the innards beneath, on both up-close studied reflective examination and initial distant principled reaction.
Posted by: matthew hogan at September 9, 2008 10:52 PM
Certainly sounds incredibly stupid, apart from the sheer illegality in view of international human rights law.
Notice however the scant reaction from Egyptian and Syrian muftis, too busy condemning Denmark - well, that'll teach the bloody Danes not to be one billion and not to have a seat on the Security Council...
Posted by: Ibn Kafka at September 10, 2008 06:19 AM
"Notice however the scant reaction from Egyptian and Syrian muftis, too busy condemning Denmark - well, that'll teach the bloody Danes not to be one billion and not to have a seat on the Security Council..."
That's not it at all. They don't complain about the Chinese because they know perfectly well that the Chinese could not care less about what they think. Paradoxically, countries like Denmark are subject to such bitter rancour because those complaining know that these countries are actually decent places open to moral suasion. By contrast, any Chinese "dialogue" with angry Muslims is likely to be conducted at 30 calibre.
Posted by: Anonymous at September 10, 2008 01:25 PM
article by a Chinese muslim on the situation:
Posted by: dawud at September 11, 2008 07:46 PM
Article by a suck-up-to-government excuse making Chinese Muslim.
Posted by: The Lounsbury at September 12, 2008 04:40 PM
Didn't sound like that to me L. He wasn't dismissing the issues Uygurs are facing as I understand it.