February 12, 2007
Imperial map of the Middle East
Fascinating Flash animation of all the waves of empire across the Middle East from 1450bc to the present day, from Maps of War. Click the image to view it.
Posted by secretdubai at February 12, 2007 12:19 PM
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you're kicking down my previous two ARTICLES for this???
It's cute. It's also quite misleading, implying massive territorial control where there wasn't any. And it's missing out half of history. But yeah, it's cute. And it has colors and stuff. Let's just hope nobody takes it seriously and bases arguments on it.
Posted by: MSK at February 12, 2007 12:46 PM
Very cool. Of course they wouldn't show the US presence in Iraq now as an empire...ha.
Posted by: SP at February 12, 2007 12:53 PM
And it's missing out half of history.
That's partly why I posted it - I figured the Learned People here would be able to offer lengthy corrections ;)
Posted by: secretdubai at February 12, 2007 03:45 PM
Chill mate, we all get stuff bumped down.
Now, regarding the map, having seen it elsewhere, I actually thought it was rather poorly done even with respect to the somewhat imprecise nature of such "areas of control." I disagree with MSK with respect to the 'implication' because quite frankly there is no way to present the inexactitude of early empires in a way that is easily comprehensible to non-specialists.
Indeed, if I may (and of course I will regardless) critique a fellow author (and it can be a self-critique I am aware) is he forgets that initial presentations can not be as nuanced as already informed specialists.
Posted by: The Lounsbury at February 12, 2007 03:49 PM
Dear SD, dear L,
it's all in good faith and companionship.
That cute presentation had irked me when I first saw it a while ago & that triggered my comment.
"Lengthy corrections" would take away the fun of seeing the colors spread &, in any case, our readership can wiki their questions to their hearts' delight.
One small thing, in regard to what L said, I think it's not too much to ask to stop shading the whole Sahara as part of empires - the Nile valley and the Med coastline would do. They managed to do that in the depiction of the Assyrian Empire, so clearly they had an idea where & what the Nile is.
Ha, and my favorite part is where the Seljuk Empire's western border is EXACTLY the contemporary eastern border of Egypt! That was cute.
Overall - nice didactic concept, but really badly executed. It's not THAT hard to get good maps. Even National Geographic would've done a better job ...
And, this map (http://www.mapsofwar.com/ind/shiite-vs-sunni.html) on the same site is much more interesting and prescient.
The site owner states:
"I hope this site helps you place today's war headlines into a greater historical context. Each map is well-researched and based in fact, and none of the work is meant to be biased or political. No spin or opinion, just fact-based conclusions about the history of war.
Maps-of-War is created by a Flash-Designer hobbyist and professional history- buff."
Yeah ... RIGHT.
Posted by: MSK at February 12, 2007 04:24 PM
From mapsofwar, on Fallujah:
In November of 2004, American forces launched Operation Phantom Fury to recapture Fallujah, a heroic and harrowing story which is best told in Bing West's book No True Glory. Military officials recounted the battle as "some of the heaviest urban combat Marines and Army infantry soldiers have been involved in since Vietnam." All told, it was one of the most decisive moments in the history of the war.
LOLZ!!1! They really set the bar for heroism low these days.
Posted by: Klaus at February 12, 2007 04:56 PM
Well, if by heroism you mean simply 'acts of individual bravery in the face of pantswettingly dangerous urban guerilla combat' they may have a point, especially given the US preference to avoid such combat situations altogether.
Posted by: Antiquated Tory at February 12, 2007 05:24 PM
Personally, I thought it was funny when the marines during the Battle for Fallujah kept drawing comparison to Hue, Vietnam--they do realize that it was the turning point going the other way, right? US forces may have won that battle...as they did the Battle for Fallujah, technically, but that really proves the point.
Despite missing half of history I like it alot, i'm going to borrow it and give you guys the hat tip.
Posted by: D.B Shobrawy at February 13, 2007 07:33 PM