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July 17, 2006

Lebanon: Sectarian impact, sectarian reactions

Anthony Shadid continues his fine work from Lebanon, surveying four neighborhoods in the city and people's different reactions, especially to Hizbullah. A Shi'ite doctor in Dahiya expresses his admiration for the culture of resistance; a Sunni architect sees two cultures in Lebanon: a culture of resistance and a culture of accommodation; a bar-owner in Gemayzeh says he's had it, and isn't willing to give up his own happiness for someone else's principled struggle; and a couple 20-year-old kids in Achrefieh, the heart of Maronite Beirut, openly cheer for the Israelis to "crack their heads".

The Lebanese Political Journal has a slightly different take in two comments:

Sectarianism in Beirut is practically non-existent and the people are incredibly angry at Israel. In the Christian areas, sectarianism is on the rise. ... According to a friend who works for ANB TV in Rabieh (a wealthy Christian suburb that overlooks Beirut), members of the Lebanese Forces were going to raise an Israeli flag, but were stopped by the gendarme. Christians and Sunni in the North are talking about internal clashes. Note: in the comment section of that post, various people disputed the Israeli flag story.

Worth noting that the guys Shadid gets to advocate violence against Hizbullah are teenage boys; but the picture of the sectarian divisions you get between the two accounts rings true to me: a cosmopolitan, "let's all get along" core at the heart of Beirut with segregated, "fortress-us" cantons branching out in various directions. If the cafe owner cited is representative, the exodus of people like him is going to be as big a blow to Lebanon's economy and society as any infrastructural damage.

In other news, livejournalist cedarseed posts a Debke map showing the strikes through July 15, which is pretty informative if you can get past the cute widdle cartoon aircraft (and the fact that they pre-judge the question of whether the HB strike was a drone or an iranian-made missile in Israel's favor (Okay, so Fisk also thinks it was an Iranian-made missile, which makes it good enough for me)).

Posted by tomscud at July 17, 2006 08:00 AM
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re the cafe owner, I'm surprised Lebanon hasn't been brain drained completely after all those years of war.

Posted by: Klaus [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 17, 2006 08:43 AM

You overlook the reverse of brain drain in the optimistic years of the mid to late 90s.

People generally don't like leaving their home-bases. It's a gamble. A new brain drain won't be set off by this alone. Only sustained instability will.

Glad to see the Maronite kids are living up to expectations.

Posted by: The Lounsbury at July 17, 2006 10:53 AM

ya tom,

you might also include that the report about the raising of the israeli flag in rabieh was a hoax. you can find that on the very same blog you're citing.

i am getting sick & tired of all those stupid rumors flying around.

--raf*

Posted by: raf* at July 17, 2006 11:07 AM

Raf. In the comment section. I am so not reading comment sections these days.

And feel free to write your own goddamn post, you lazy bastard.

Posted by: Tom Scudder at July 17, 2006 11:19 AM

While we're just asking random guys off the street, my friend who is studying at AUB has told me that most non-Shia at first blamed Hezbollah for the crisis and didn't care if Israel gave them a little spanking, but with Israel's massive overreaction and targeting of the whole of Lebanon, all sects are rallying behind Hezbollah against Israel. He said that most people(even Christians) have tuned in to al Manar instead of the traditional Christian and/or Saudi-funded media outlets.

That's what he said at least. As for me, I just can't get enough of the Iran-Syria conspiracy theories from the American bolshy right. Wonder what Lounsbury has to say about William Kristol's lovely op-ed in the Financial Times: Why Bush should go to Tel Aviv - and confront Iran

Posted by: Djuha at July 17, 2006 11:23 AM

ya tom,

yeah ... well ... of course in the comment section. lazy bloggers are not correcting their posts ...

i AM writing a post ... but i do have a job, remember?

here's the $64,000 question: how many lebanese prisoners are in israeli jails? and how many in syria?

discuss.

--raf*

ps: tom, if you know it - don't give it away.

Posted by: raf* at July 17, 2006 11:27 AM

Djuha: if random-guy-on-the-street is good enough for the Washington Post, it's good enough for us.

Posted by: Tom Scudder at July 17, 2006 11:32 AM

So what exactly can the IDF do now that they didn't do in 1982-2000? It makes little sense. Maybe they want to obliterate southern Lebanon, and create a huge no-mans-land perimeter around Israel. Some Final Solution.

But I'm just guessing, because I know so little. What can the IDF hope to accomplish, and by what means, that they weren't able to in 1982? Can someone do a comparison?

Posted by: Klaus [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 17, 2006 11:51 AM

here's the $64,000 question: how many lebanese prisoners are in israeli jails? and how many in syria?

I believe Head Heeb posed that question on the earlier Hizb thread, but got no replies. Perhaps a useful data point if anyone could find out.

Otherwise, fact checking is fine, but sniping is unnecessary. We all have jobs. I'm glad Tom is watching the issue so closely (although under the circumstances it must be difficult).

Posted by: eerie [TypeKey Profile Page] at July 17, 2006 12:58 PM

Klaus: one possible answer is that they don't intend to do anything permanent, and simply believe that if they need to invade and fuck Lebanon up every 20 years to keep things as they'd like them, then so be it.

Posted by: Tom Scudder at July 17, 2006 01:00 PM

Eerie: Thanks. Nice to have an outlet for the useless news-obsessing I would have been doing anyway.

Posted by: Tom Scudder at July 17, 2006 01:17 PM

Actually, I do believe that Iran, being allied with Hizbullah, is helping them, probably had input into the timing of the initial raid, and is using the current mayhem as cover to advance its nuclear program. They've benefitted mightily from our botched occupation of Iraq, and are feeling their oats, in my opinion.
Israel's overreaction is perfect for them. They fell right into Iran's trap. The Prez (US version) even blames Syria for all this, which is even more perfect for Iran. For them, it doesn't get any better than this.

Posted by: pantom at July 17, 2006 01:51 PM

dear tom & eerie,

i didn't mean to snipe. you know i love you dearly, even L ...

for the last days i've been following news, talking to and chatting with my people back in lebanon, debating on- & offline ...

i'm working on an article for aqoul - if i'm lucky i'll finish it tonight.

i'm drained. thank god for adrenaline.

cheers,

--raf*

Posted by: raf* at July 17, 2006 03:42 PM

Looking forward Raf Bey. But no one should love Me, my schtick is to be hated.

Posted by: The Lounsbury at July 17, 2006 04:14 PM

Raf,

If I answer your earlier question, will I really get $64,000??

Posted by: Delirious at July 17, 2006 05:33 PM

Kuntar and 3 others. only 4 leb prisoners in total, for which at least 170 lebanese CIVILIANS hav lost their lives.

Posted by: dajody at July 17, 2006 08:28 PM

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