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May 29, 2006

Let’s Do the Time Warp, Part II: Russian Homophobia as Mainstream Political Culture

Some months ago, here at Aqoul I debunked Andrew Sullivan’s assertion that the Muslim mainstream is at the forefront of gay-bashing in the Russian Federation.

Well, it seems I was right – on Saturday the Moscow gay community did attempt to carry on with their observance of the 13th anniversary of the decriminalization of homosexuality in Russia, resulting in beatings and scores of arrests (including those of the demonstration’s organizer and some participants, as well as counterdemonstrators), as the Mayor of Moscow had prohibited the demonstration on the grounds that homosexuality is “unnatural,” and was backed up by a court decision last week. Even some members of the Russian gay community had opposed the demonstration, fearing the violence that would result - Russia just isn't in the same sociopolitical place as the handful of industrialized Western countries that have visible gay activist movements, but then those are largely a development of the past couple of decades in any case.

However, my brief survey of the Russian- and English-language press has revealed zero mention of any Muslims beating up gay marchers; that was apparently the province of Russian nationalists (which all too frequently serve as the Russian analogue of racist Western “White Power” activists), skinheads, and other violently homophobic subsectors of Russian society. Note the various mentions of militant Orthodox Christians among the counterdemonstrators.

(Interestingly, Mr. Sullivan is now reporting on the demonstration, but without mentioning his prior blame for recommendations of homophobic violence primarily on the official Russian Muslim religious establishment, a viewpoint which he extrapolated to Russian Muslims at large. This is not to say that there aren’t homophobic Russian Muslims, but then they are hardly alone among their compatriots. Andrew, a retraction would be nice, but frankly I’m not expecting it to happen.)

Posted by evaluna at May 29, 2006 12:20 PM
Filed Under: Islam & Politics , Op-Ed , Political Development , Society & Culture

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Well at least it came timed to the month of the 125th anniversary of the 1881 pogroms. (More on this to come.)

Posted by: matthew hogan at May 29, 2006 03:53 PM

Tsk tsk Andrew.

Posted by: eerie [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 29, 2006 03:55 PM

About the same time he notes he got the "French intefada" stuff badly wrong, whanking on about Muslims.

Posted by: The Lounsbury at May 29, 2006 04:36 PM

Andrew Sullivan's a flake.

What I mean by that is that he talks about a lot of things that he doesn't know anything about yet he acts like he does.

I'm sure he knows plenty about South Park and AIDs as he seems to talk about those things a lot. The problem lies in when he leaves those areas.

Just another case of Americans being dazzled by some unprofound British writer.

Posted by: Shamil at May 29, 2006 06:09 PM

Well, Shamil, that makes him the perfect blogger as far as I can tell: re "he talks about a lot of things that he doesn't know anything about yet he acts like he does."

Posted by: The Lounsbury at May 29, 2006 06:46 PM

Actually, there has been an upsurge of nazism in Russia lately. God knows why, I can't figure out that one. The Soviet Union lost 26 million people fighting the Nazis, so what on earth is a nazi nationalist in Russia? A Christian Lion? My brain hurts.

http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/01/21/neonazi.shtml

Posted by: Klaus [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 29, 2006 08:30 PM

Can I just say how odd it feels for me to read comments written by a living, online person named Shamil?

Posted by: Eva Luna [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 29, 2006 08:48 PM

On a connected topic notice how those journalists who talk about a "new anti-semiism" almost never mention the situation in Russia and Ukraine for that matter.

Anyone says anything about Israel and they hit the ceiling but actual physical attacks against jews (by non-muslims) apparently doesn't count as anti-semitism.

There was an attempt by some Duma members to ban all jewish organizations a while back but nothing was heard about this from the usual suspects.

Yet a couple of academics write a paper on Israel and look at the reaction. I think that says a lot.

Posted by: Shamil at May 30, 2006 01:59 AM

Indeed it does.

Creating a narrative.

Posted by: The Lounsbury at May 30, 2006 02:24 AM

It's an odd thing, actually. the Eastern block, as it used to be called, is mostly known for organised crime, sex trafficking and porn starlets in the West and little else. (Western) Europeans talk constantly about USA and the Middle East, but anything east of Poland is just off the radar. Roughly speaking.

I think people just assume it will all progress by virtue of an European identity...so no need to pay attention. That these people are the same as us anyway, unlike Americans and Middle Easterners.

Speculation. I have for a long time assumed something bad would grow out of the fall of the Soviet Union. Maybe people are just a little afraid to think about where Russia is going. Like the way Russia has always been a sensitive subject in Finland (don't piss them off...).

Posted by: Klaus [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 30, 2006 03:22 AM

More uninformed comment from Sullivan today.

A Bavarian pope had a unique opportunity to reflect on the role the Church played in providing two millennia of religious anti-Semitism which paved the way for the atheistic, racist anti-Semitism of Nazism.

Religious anti-semitism?

Does he even know what these words mean?

Secondly he's wrong in saying the Nazis were atheist. Many were Christians but many were also followers of old Nordic religions or Hinduism. Some believed that the Aryan race themselves were gods (kind of like the 10% nation).

Posted by: Shamil at May 30, 2006 10:56 AM

Did Sullivan somehow miss the whole Kinder, Küche, Kirche thing?

Posted by: Eva Luna at May 30, 2006 11:08 AM

Did Sullivan somehow miss the whole Kinder, Küche, Kirche thing?

Well that was certainly just rhetoric on Hitler's part. Like many Aryanists he believed that the adoption of Christianity by the Germans was a disaster. Which is strange because Charlemange was largely responsible for that and Hitler still idolised him.

What Kinder, Kuche, Kirche does show though is that Hitler assumed most of his followers were Christians.

Posted by: Shamil at May 30, 2006 01:18 PM

You should place a tracback to Sullivan. Maybe he'll check this blog out :)

Posted by: shariq at June 3, 2006 05:37 AM

Oh, but I did, and he did, respectively - at least once. One can only hope he is still lurking.

Posted by: Eva Luna [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 3, 2006 11:43 AM

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